Alleged Giffords Shooter: Jared Loughner Leaves Video *UPDATES*

Update:  Gateway Pundit has much more on the alleged shooter.

These appear to be the paranoid ramblings of the man in custody for shooting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 11 others, including a federal judge, in Tucson, AZ.  Lots of hard left references in his favorite books, including Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto. Politico’s Ben Smith calls Laughner’s writings “socialist.” 

Another Video by alleged shooter in Arizona made 3 weeks before shooting

This stuff is beyond me.  Fodder for the criminal psychologists. 


Note:  Correct last name is “Laughner” not “Loughner” as I originally posted.  Sorry.  His first name has appears as both Jerod and Jarod.  This should settle out shortly as we learn more.

AND we’re back to Loughner.  (I should have trusted his own Myspace page which has since been removed.)


1.  A woman claiming to be a classmate of Jarod Lee Loughner’s describes the alleged murderer as a “leftist” “anti-flag”


27 thoughts on “Alleged Giffords Shooter: Jared Loughner Leaves Video *UPDATES*”

    1. You are so mistaken if you are trying to align Hitler with rightwing Americans. It shows your lack of understanding of the matter. Hitler was a socialist. He was also a facist (as in a rightwing European).

      fas·cism   /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ –noun
      1.(sometimes initial capital letter)a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
      2.(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
      3.(initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

      “Communist” Russia was a fascist state. All these were governments formed by socialist groups. Some called themselves Communists, some called themselves Socialists, and some called themselves Progressives.

      1. Yes, Hitler was a socialist, but if you look at his ideology, he had a very conservative agenda. I’m talking about things like encouraging large families and making abortion illegal, strong support for nationalism and excessive spending on military and arms, mistrust of foreigners, Christian “values” and anti-religious sentiment, big brother-esque regimes, and tax cuts to “model” families.

      2. The tea party–at least in St. Louis–is opposed to “big brother-esque” government programs like a National Internet ID numberthat Barack Obama seems to favor.

        It is the left, not the right, that uses tax policy to mold behavior. I have pushed the flat tax since Reagan’s first administration (Jack Kemp was my hero). Democrats, on the other hand, use tax policy to wage their class warfare.

        I’d go on, but what’s the point? Taking your arguments seriously would be to insult your intelligence.

      3. You seemed to miss the main points of the argument above.
        “family values” – check
        illegal abortion – check
        extreme nationalism – check
        mistrust of foreigners – check
        excessive spending on military – check
        tax cuts – check (the words “model” and “mold” are different, btw. It means that “ideal” – or large, heterosexual – families got tax cuts)

        You debate only one of the points, governmental intrusion, as being something the “Tea Party” doesn’t believe in. So lets see, that’s 6 out of 7? Oh, but wait, you tack on a little cop-out at the end there. Good job.

        P.S. The flat tax is a load and is only fair if all other prices are “flattened” into fixed percentages of income. Also, Reagan legalized abortion in California. Most “Tea Partiers” today would sh!t themselves rather than vote for a soulless, hollywood baby-killer, yet now they worship him. Go figure.

      4. Ummm. . .

        “Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany’s bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.”

        (Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

        Now THAT sounds like 21st century American conservatism to me.

        How do you define “excessive?” What is the appropriate amount of nationalism? What do you mean by “family values?” By listing policies and announcing “check,” you might impress a professor who’s predisposed to your views, but you’re not actually saying anything. What’s the yardstick? How similar are my positions on that yardstick to the 3rd Reich’s. How many planks in the DNC’s platform would fit nicely within Nazi Germany’s? How many actions of Barack Obama’s perfectly reflect Germany’s industrial policy highlighted int he quote above?

        Finally, you are correct on your definition of classical liberalism. But I think Knighthawk was using the term “classical” casually, as in “that goal was classic Gretzky.”

      5. He was a fascist, yes, but where the hell do you get socialist? Socialism requires worker ownership of and control of the means of production. I can call myself a millionaire astronaut, but that doesn’t make it true.

    2. That is absolutely incorrect when it comes to Mein Kampf. Hitler’s Nazi’s were the National Socialist German Workers Party. They were socialists and facists, who believe the state takes precedence over individuals. That is classic liberalism. But none of that really has anything to do with this guy. He’s nothing more than a mentally ill antisocial maniac.

      1. Classical liberalism is a philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.

        Socialism and Fascism are two completely different things. You don’t understand the first thing when it comes to political theory.

        So really, “Tea Partiers” are pretty committed to classical liberalism. Read yourself some Mills.

        But I do agree with your last two sentences.

      2. I find it interesting that many (most?) pepole keep their guns in their bedrooms, it fits right in with the sexual fear morals of the US. Though I do know someone who scared an intruder away with his shotgun (didn’t shoot it), and the police ended up catching the thief because the homeowner had called the cops right away (and the thief had an apartment full of stolen stuff). So there is something real that keeps reinforcing the idea that it’s best to have a gun next to/under your bed for protection, the fear and security issue. I completely agree with your take on guns in your article Eric, and have always had an aversion to guns. It seems one of the narratives that the gun thing also relates to is the cowboy psyche that persists in our country, some false sense of freedom as well as power ? Your descriptions of the centaurs in this article really opened up a new vision of them for me, and how it applies to my own chart. My Nessus 4-49 is conjunct my nn 3-30, gemini 11th, opp my moon 4-14 sag., I am in love with astrology, but not very adept, so I was hoping you might clarify something for me. Is it the black moon lilith in his chart that makes the moon/sn conjunction so dark towards women? I have a lot of thoughts about how the sn/moon conj works in my life, but was just wondering what this pairing would like without lilith there? And how it would change his chart. -beth

  1. 1) “Mein Kampf” is not “hard left.” 2)His writings are paranoid, anti-government ramblings, not “socialist”(or conservative, or liberal, or libertarian, or any other coherent political ideology).

    1. 1. Actuall, Mein Kampf is socialist. 2. Tell Ben Smith at Politico. He characterized writings as “socialist.” 3. His classmate @antderosa now confirming Loughner’s political bent on twitter.

      1. The shooter is highly anti-government. If anything, he’s an anarchist which does not by any definition fit with either traditional American party. Now as to Catie Parker, we should all bow to a random high-schooler’s understanding of political theory, right? No doubt the kid is downright crazy and rather disturbed. It’s only logical to draw a line between a shot democrat and a republican who put crosshairs on her. It was a mistake, but one any member of the other side would have made just as quickly.

  2. A lot of ultra-conservatives have read socialist writtings, but I personally think the guy is mentally disturbed. Most of his ramblings are incoherent, but the ones that aren’t seem to be bent to the right: IE. government brainwashing, anti-government, pro strict Constitutionalism, etc.

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